You mean my Kaiser Keeps DMing workshops? XD That I ran twice before personal life burnt me out xD
But yes, they were well recieved last time and honestly is a great experince!
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unless we reach ~400 members or so, this 
seems to be the far more reasonable approach
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Except we’re already asking people to pay dues at WOW/Keepers…
Except it’s been (according to Neil) years since enough donations came in to cover website costs…
Even though I am an inactive member of RPG Vienna, I’ll drop by to see what it’s about, how and why the needs of the RPG Vienna community have changed, what solutions have and have not worked and what steps are required to keep the loving community flourishing. I can also share my experiences with other Vereins. (also I’ll bring Coup).
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Hello again. Twice in one week eh? 
So I’ve spent a bit more time to read and digest the posts in here and the other thread.
The original post maybe started off with a slightly different goal but two of the bullet points in the OP are definitely Verein related (the first one in particular!) which is probably why the discussion has become more about the Verein than anything else.
I still think the question of:
Why should RPG Vienna “Verein-ify”? should be answered. Whether it’s in this thread, in person on the 22nd or a bit of both. Once that question has been answered, it leaves space for the other things like future events etc.
I’m seeing some good arguments why a Verein is not needed but not many arguments for why it is needed…so far 
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This could easily be solved by making the fact that @Neil is paying privately for website costs more publicly known on the forum. I, for example, don’t even know how I would donate to Neil if I wanted to. Maybe this can be fixed with a link or something in every V.A.L.U.E game post? And/or DMs can mention it at the end of their games? Just by sheer curiosity, how much do you need to cover the costs Neil?
Edit: so far there haven’t been any complaints/questions about WoW keepers entry fees. It’s still much, much cheaper compared to playing in a Cafe/Restaurant and we could even store minis or other things there if needed.
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I posted a PayPal link at some point and got a couple of donations that way (which I’m eternally grateful for) these days it costs me around 30 euros a month. I also set up a Patreon fairly recently but I decided to not make it public in the end. It always feels a bit dirty for me when the subject of money comes up 
However, the subject of money seems to be a driving force for the Verein idea.
If people organize an event, couldn’t they just have a tip jar that goes towards the volunteers getting a käsesemmerl and a beer on the day?
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We did that for Night of the Rolling Dice and it was a sizable amount, enough that I dont feel comfortable being responsible for it in any way @SilentButDeadly What was the actual amount?
Okay, lets move Verein stuff to the Verein thread and leave this poor thread for just general ideas xD
Here is the link btw.
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In my opinion you shouldn’t feel bad about setting up a Patreon and if you’re OK with it I would petition include as a regular link together with the rules in each VALUE post. 30€/month is a sizeable amount for you to pay on your own but if each regular member subscribes to your Patreon it’s probably 1€/month/person and that’s really no big deal. And if there is more than you need, it can go towards books etc for the community 
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Update location - WOW keepers
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Looking forward to seeing you all there. 
Is there an agenda or is it more of a casual conversation? (Or a bit of both)
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I imagined it more casual. Would probably moderate the meeting just enough to keep the ball rolling and keep notes.
From my side would love if you could give a short opening speech about how RPG Vienna had started and progressed over the years.
BTW thought of going out for some food after the meeting in the nearby Diwan Holzkohlengrill place. Relly impressive and have some very reasonble-priced options. Lots of vegeterian options too. Not sure if they serve booze though.
Sign up here if you would like to join for after-meeting dinner. Planning to make a reservation by Friday.
Unfortunately I won’t be able to make the meeting. But you can write me on Discord or in the forum if you need something from me (design, website, whatever).
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I will be there to listen and get an idea what this is about, just returned to the forum after a view years inactivity
everyone is welcome!
super tired 
… still not sure if I can make it
(“classic” weekend blues)
useful links:
Vereinsgesetz (2002) [-> Rechtsinformationssystem des Bundes]
Vereinswesen [-> Digitales Amt Östereich]
Vereins-Gründungsvorgang [-> Bundesministerium für Inneres]
Vereine & Steuern [-> Bundesministerium für Finanzen; PDF]
Vereine und Registrierkassen [-> Bundesministerium für Finanzen; PDF]
Vereinsakademie [-> a Verein that org. lectures/workshops on how to start & esp. run a Verein]
(all links are in German)
@Otschi
a few of the folks want to start a Verein
this is about helping them how not to get lost (esp. in accounting) and tell them about what to take care of … esp. if you have started/run a Verein yourself
there had been the idea to Verein-size RPGVienna in general started by 2 people … but (at least) I think that this thought had been buried unless we at least x20
the numbers of our regulars
note: we are ~16 regulars right now
mostly this is hanging out with @AmLash (who will be late) and @Neil though
Sadly something came up, so I can’t make it 
I orobably cant make it either. Honestly we should consider postponing the meeting for today considering how many people cant make it. Even though its short notice
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