The VALUE Vote 2025: Results (Part 1)

[BufoBufo]

The Results of the VALUE Poll for the new season (Part 1)

So, the results are out from the VALUE poll (part 1) for the new season.

Who could vote?

DMs who dmed at least 3 times.

Why couldn’t I vote as a player?

Because it would be either too much work to find every player or not safe. We have lists of over 100 players that played over the years, and many only came once. Also it is the DMs who have to run the new rules. A public vote would not be possible due safety concerns.

When will these changes go into effect?

After the finale on the 21.3.2025. There will be a second vote with the follow up questions of how we will do things exactly, which will be larger.

Will there be a character reset? (All characters are reset to their starting tier levels or deleted if wished so and all magic items are lost except those that can be taken by level up)

• Yes every season we had a character reset so far. The problem is that at some point DMs have the most powerful or potentially powerful characters, which can lead to an imbalance in gameplay. If you wish to recreate your character you are free to do so with the new rules, except he has no magic items gained from adventuring.
• Additionally all DM rewards of the old season are deleted for the new season. The reason is that some DMs have over 25+ DM rewards, which can entail levels and magic items. This is also a reason for the item reset as otherwise the DM Rewards reset can be dodged by giving magic items to various characters.

The Results

General

Should we use the 2024 rules or keep the 2014 rules?

• Keep 2014

Attunement for companions?

• Companions, such a familiars, pets, simulacrums and summons share the attunement slots of the PC who controls them

Should downleveling be allowed?

• There will be a runoff election between the two options with the highest approval. That is: No Downleveling and Downleveling but not permanent, and no changes can be made upon upleveling.

Ability Scores: Point Buy

• We will keep the current system between 6-17. However there will be a follow up question about changes to the prices.

Low Level Games

• There will be a T0 which is level 1-2 and separate from T1 (level 3-4)

What level can a new PC be created

• New PCs can now be created at the beginning of any Tier. This means level 1,3,5,11,17

Will there be a magic item drop limit?

• Yes but the exact number or system will be voted on in a follow up question

Will there be a change to the Magic item carry limit?

• No the magic item carry limit of 1,3,7,10 uncommon+ items will remain unchanged

Are magic items, banned in AL (Adventurer’s League) automatically banned in VALUE?

• No, they are not automatically banned

Do half-plates and plate armor count as magic item drops in T1 (and T0)`?

• No, they are not counted as magic item drops.

Should the amount of consumable items (items with one charge that are removed after they lose their charge) be limited in drops?

• Yes they should be limited. The exact number will be voted upon in the follow up vote

Should all magic items that increase an ability score (i.e. items that set a score to 19 or that give +2 to a score) be one tier higher?

• Yes, all items that increase ability scores will increase in tier by one

Can legendary items that modify ability scores be dropable in T4 games (i.e. Belt of Storm giants strength)

• No majority for either option. Will require either a new vote or new possibilities for answers. Will probably be discussed in the follow up vote

Do stat increasing books (i.e. Manual of Bodily Health) count towards the magic item limit?

• Yes, they count towards the magic item limit, even after use. Characters who use such an item have to “take it with them”.

Specific Magic Items

Bag of Beans: T1 or T2?

• Should stay a T1 item (homebrew)

Bag of Devouring: T2 or T3?

• Should stay a T2 item (homebrew)

Chime of opening (T1 or T2)?

• 50:50, needs a revote

Folding Boat: T1 or T2

• Should stay a T1 item (homebrew)

Heward’s Heavy Haversack: T1 or T2?

• Should remain a T1 item (homebrew)

Horseshoes of Speed: T1 or T2

• Should remain a T1 item (homebrew)

Horseshoes of a Zephyr: T2 or T3?

• Should remain a T2 item (homebrew)

Necklace of Fireballs: T1 or T2?

• Should become a T2 item again (original tier)

[BufoBufo]

Downtime

Can PCs gain +10 downtime instead of leveling up?

• Yes, they can get +10 downtime (20 downtime total) instead of leveling up

Can DMs spend DM awards to gain downtime days?

• Yes one DM reward (one session DMed) can be redeemed for 10 downtime days.

Brewing Health potions?

• For 5 Downtime days players can receive (brew, no proficiency required) a health potion with a strength dependent on the Tier of the Character. Healing portion (T1), Greater Healing Potion (T2), Superior Healing Potion (T3), Supreme Healing Potion (T4).

Catching Up (Using downtime to level)?

• Yes downtime days can be used to level, at the rate of 10 downtime days per level.

Should we change (decrease) the prices for the Temple Service Downtime Activity (Resurrection as a Downtime)?

• No, they will remain as they were.

Can you buy magic items from the Level-Up list as a downtime?

• Yes, there will be a follow-up question about the mechanics of that.

Can wizards research spells for their spellbook as a downtime action? (Learn a new spell in the spellbook)

• Yes, there will be a follow-up question regarding prices and mechanics.

Should we allow the retraining (new selection) of feats, fighting styles, proficiency, expertise or language?

• Yes, there will be a follow up question regarding the mechanics

Do we wish to include the new Bastion rules from the 2024 edition?

• Yes, this will result in its own section of follow up questions where different models will be discussed and voted on.

I made a mistake?

• Please contact me

You don’t understand something?

• Write me or @Darthbinks

[katnyx]

Thanks for these diagrams and everything!!!

[BufoBufo]

Alas the people have spoken. There will be the talk about question (not vote about rules on Sunday) so the next vote will be there Mon-Wed and last 7+1 days again.

[BufoBufo]

If you have any more questions that you wish to have discussed in the follow up vote. Please write them @Darthbinks

[Mexikorn]

Will there be a limit on how many downtime days can be used at a time between sessions? In theory you could bank them and then jump from level 5 to 20 or so if there’s no limit.

[BufoBufo]

Currently there is none. But if you wish, we can ask the question

[Mexikorn]

I’m not sure it would be necessary but I think it would be sensible. Limit it to 20 downtime days per week per character or so to prevent excessive bulk spending. In that same vein this should also apply to downtime activities for games in some way. I’m just spitballing ideas and numbers here though. Use my feedback at your own discretion

[Arthilas]

I just made a public poll to see what ruleset, 2014 or 2024, our community prefers: Poll: Which D&D rules should be used in the future of VALUE?

[Darthbinks]

please keep in mind that this poll is just Arthila’s private poll

[katnyx]

I’m sure it’s on the list already, but just to be sure - we should also add items and item limits and rarity of items and so on to the follow-up poll for T0

[Darthbinks]

it is