# D&D Evolution: Round 2 - ADnD **URL:** \ **Category:** Arrange a Game\ **Created:** [September 3, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641 "2018-09-03T19:04:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![S\_journ](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/s_journ/32/94_2.png) [@S\_journ](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/S_journ)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/1 "2018-09-03T19:04:00Z")
Edit: the game shall start at 19:30! Greetings! As I already mentioned earlier in [posts](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/dnd-ocumentary/2576), we just started a retrospective series of games to play, explore and (re)discover the evolution of Dungeons & Dragon games. After our great opening [event](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/dnd-evolution-round-one-original-dungeons-dragons/2613), we move on to AD&D with the help of @gridshadow, who shall introduce us the second and longest-running era of Dungeons and Dragons. Was “A” really referring to “Advanced” or only to “Another” (or yet another phrase starting with “A”)? What was the difference between the “old” D&D and the newer iterations (D&D 5E)? Let’s explore it together on Thursday evening at the Spielbar! (As usual, no pre-knowledge required) ---
**Author:** ![Nepu](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/nepu/32/559_2.png) [@Nepu](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/Nepu)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/2 "2018-09-03T19:27:51Z")
The first one was fun, so I’ll show up again 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SheVa](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/sheva/32/526_2.png) [@SheVa](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/SheVa)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 6:33am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/3 "2018-09-04T06:33:22Z")
I’ll be there as well, looking forward to the next step in the evolution 😁 ---
**Author:** ![OddlyEd](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/oddlyed/32/49_2.png) [@OddlyEd](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/OddlyEd)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 7:48am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/4 "2018-09-04T07:48:18Z")
I will actually be there this week! Hurray! ---
**Author:** ![Anoniminus](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/anoniminus/32/486_2.png) [@Anoniminus](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/Anoniminus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/5 "2018-09-04T12:53:37Z")
I completely forgot about rpg Thursday last week, but I’ll make sure to be there this time around. ---
**Author:** ![BerndiSterndi](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/berndisterndi/32/524_2.png) [@BerndiSterndi](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/BerndiSterndi)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/6 "2018-09-05T15:48:10Z")
I will come too. ---
**Author:** ![irx](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/irx/32/808_2.png) [@irx](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/irx)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/7 "2018-09-05T20:23:47Z")
Round 2 already, great, I’ll be there. ---
**Author:** ![SheVa](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/sheva/32/526_2.png) [@SheVa](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/SheVa)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 9:50am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/8 "2018-09-06T09:50:03Z")
Do you guys know when you will start showing up? Start of the game is 19:30, but is anyone coming earlier than this? I could be there from around 18:00… ---
**Author:** ![OddlyEd](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/oddlyed/32/49_2.png) [@OddlyEd](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/OddlyEd)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:12am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/9 "2018-09-06T10:12:51Z")
I’m unlikely to be there before 8, I’ll try not to disrupt too much if you’ve already started. ---
**Author:** ![gridshadow](https://www.rpgvienna.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/b19c9b/32.png) [@gridshadow](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/gridshadow)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:25am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/10 "2018-09-06T10:25:28Z")
OK, so a bit of information for tonights game. There was actually two editions of AD&D (1st and 2nd, with the first edition released running in parallel with OD&D), but the changes between the two are fairly minor, and @H, @S_journ, and I agreed that if we play all versions of OD&D/AD&D it will take a while, and there isn’t enough differences for it to be noticeable. As such, I’ll actually be running 2nd edition, the main changes to the first was the fact the books were better organised, the removal of several character classes, and the removal of lots of references to demons/devils (due to a slight media perception problem (A)D&D suffered a lot during the eighties). The main thing about the 2nd edition AD&D era - it was all about campaign settings. During the 1st edition/eighties there were three settings: Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, and Dragonlance (all fairly high fantasy). With the second edition TSR started producing a campaign setting every year: Spelljammer, Ravenloft, Birthright, Dark Sun, Planespace etc. to not name a non-exhaustive list, each often with its own slight rule changes and a slightly different theme (Spelljammer was “Science fantasy”-ish, Ravenloft gothic horror, for example). So, therefore, we will be playing an adventure in one of those settings, with the slight changes to rules it introduced. I’m aiming for a slightly higher level (4/5), so I’ll bring pre-generated characters. If anyone wants to create characters then I’ll be there shortly before 7, and as @OddlyEd is unlikely to appear before 8 we will have time to create some. ---
**Author:** ![OddlyEd](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/oddlyed/32/49_2.png) [@OddlyEd](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/OddlyEd)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 10:38am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/11 "2018-09-06T10:38:51Z")
Woohoo! 2nd Edition AD&D is what got me into RPGs, now I’m even more excited! ---
**Author:** ![Lade](https://www.rpgvienna.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/8c91f0/32.png) [@Lade](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/Lade)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/12 "2018-09-06T12:31:07Z")
I’ll drop by aswell this week ---
**Author:** ![Xerdor](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/xerdor/32/447_2.png) [@Xerdor](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/Xerdor)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/13 "2018-09-06T13:14:47Z")
I would like join aswell. We are a lot of players for one DM. ---
**Author:** ![H](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/h/32/1467_2.png) [@H](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/H)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/14 "2018-09-06T14:25:34Z")
Would have loved to join, but won’t be able to make it tonight, sadly. Have fun, all! > [@S\_journ](#): > > Was “A” really referring to “Advanced” or only to “Another” (or yet another phrase starting with “A”)? That’s a good question. I suppose it depends on your point of reference. I mean, sure, compared with the first game we played in this series, then, yes, AD&D is advanced. Much as I think that later editions are almost never as good as the originals, the truly old games are the exception to that rule. OD&D was still figuring this whole role-playing business out; AD&D had a much clearer idea of what it wanted to be. But compared with Basic in the usual sense? I’m not so sure. AD&D is definitely more complicated, and there’s a whole lot more of it, but advanced may not be quite the right word. In many ways, including quality, the two are equals. > [@S\_journ](#): > > What was the difference between the “old” D&D and the newer iterations (D&D 5E)? If [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-hY-hlhBg) is older D&D, then [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc-IV0fW1Uo&index=31&list=RD2yA443AoFTo) is the newer versions. The lyrics are the same, but everything else is different. Anyway, have a great time! AD&D truly is the magnum opus. ---
**Author:** ![H](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/h/32/1467_2.png) [@H](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/H)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/15 "2018-09-06T14:56:18Z")
> [@gridshadow](#): > > OK, so a bit of information for tonights game. > > There was actually two editions of AD&D (1st and 2nd, with the first edition released running in parallel with OD&D), but the changes between the two are fairly minor, and @H, @S_journ, and I agreed that if we play all versions of OD&D/AD&D it will take a while, and there isn’t enough differences for it to be noticeable. > > As such, I’ll actually be running 2nd edition, the main changes to the first was the fact the books were better organised, the removal of several character classes, and the removal of lots of references to demons/devils (due to a slight media perception problem (A)D&D suffered a lot during the eighties). Shoot, I keep forgetting that 2nd edition was AD&D as well. :b But yeah, while the changes are quite minor - mainly sanding off some rough edges - the difference in the tone of the rulebooks couldn’t be greater. AD&D was pure inpiration; it’s Gygax giddily telling you about this fantastic place he’s discovered right behind the wardrobe, and urging you to come join him. (Gygax is totally Lucy.) Second edition was more of an instruction manual; it’s so much better organized - which isn’t hard, because AD&D’s organizational structure is along the lines of “… and there are diseases and flying beasts and spells and traps and treasures …” - and a whole lot easier to understand, but also rather sterile. > [@gridshadow](#): > > The main thing about the 2nd edition AD&D era - it was all about campaign settings. During the 1st edition/eighties there were three settings: Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, and Dragonlance (all fairly high fantasy). Not to quibble with gridshadow’s excellent points, but just to add to the discussion: initially, Greyhawk was pure Sword & Sorcery, and D&D was primarily a Sword & Sorcery game. High fantasy really came in with Dragonlance, and I still feel that the game is somewhat miscast in that role. But yeah, 2nd edition’s settings were fantastic. There was just so much creativity flowing through them. Great stuff. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![S\_journ](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/s_journ/32/94_2.png) [@S\_journ](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/S_journ)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/16 "2018-09-06T15:16:30Z")
Dwarwen twins are always welcome! ---
**Author:** ![SheVa](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/sheva/32/526_2.png) [@SheVa](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/SheVa)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 9:01am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/17 "2018-09-10T09:01:44Z")
Hey guys, how did it end, did you defeat Lord Soth (or whatever his name was)? Sorry again that I had to leave early :-/ ---
**Author:** ![S\_journ](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/s_journ/32/94_2.png) [@S\_journ](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/S_journ)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/18 "2018-09-10T20:55:01Z")
Don’t worry, we didn’t finished either (although progressed somewhat). Still, it was a great game, thanks for joining in! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://www.rpgvienna.com/uploads/default/original/1X/205312081f52ff5b011b2d03b74ad0d3403b1172.png) [@system](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/19 "2018-09-17T20:55:02Z")
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**Author:** ![H](https://www.rpgvienna.com/user_avatar/www.rpgvienna.com/h/32/1467_2.png) [@H](https://www.rpgvienna.com/u/H)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://www.rpgvienna.com/t/d-d-evolution-round-2-adnd/2641/20 "2018-09-23T00:12:32Z")
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